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[Randall J. Knudsen] Can you describe what Africa was like during those years, and these were the apartheid years.

[Lawrence J. Mackey] It was very different for me. And very different, and then also I would have to say probably difficult. I’d never seen anything quite like that. I had a couple of opportunities to become very close to some of the African people. And they were the most happy, fun-loving people. And they were pretty sensitive to the Spirit. But at that time, we--I was not allowed to proselyte among them.

[Knudsen] Now this is the Blacks you’re talking about, right?

[Mackey] Yes.

[Knudsen] Okay.

[Mackey] So we developed friendships and relationships but there was no teaching of doctrine or actually sharing witness of the doctrines. That was not encouraged.

[Knudsen] Okay. And that was all, basically, because of apartheid among other things, but the Church didn’t teach a lot of Blacks during that time.

[Mackey] No, there was some agreement early on when the Church returned to South Africa after some civil disturbances that prevented that at that time.

[Knudsen] Right.