He [James J. Strang] said he held a Dispensation of the Priesthood from Heaven. I then asked him if he could hold the Priesthood without the ordinances of the same, that is in its fulness. He replied that the ordinances were not Priesthood. I then showed him from the translation of the book of Abraham, that in all the different Dispensations since the days of Adam, when a Dispensation of the Priesthood was committed to any of the ancients, the grand keys and key-words, were in all cases given—and yet he claimed a Dispensation of the same Priesthood, but held not the key-words, and ordinances of the same. He answered that there were not any key-words in the Priesthood, and as to the ordinances they could yet be given to him—that Joseph did not hold them first, and that ordinances were not Priesthood, and that he was qualified to preside over the Priesthood without holding them.