There were Present President Young President Kimball (D H Wells sick) All of the Twelve except A. Lyman & G. A. Smith who was sick. The Presidency of the Seventies Bishop Hunter & many others. A Hymn was sung O Happy Souls who Pray. Prayer By O Hyde.

President Young stated the object of the Meeting was to Convers upon Doctrinal Points to see if we see alike & think alike. I Pray that we may have the spirit of God to rest upon us that our minds may be upon the subject & that we may speak by the Holy spirit.

He then Called upon A Carrington to read a sermon. He read it before the Company a peace prepared for the press written by Orson Pratt upon the Godhead. He Claimed that it was the atributes of God that He worshiped and not the person & that He worshiped those Atributes whether he found them in God, Jesus Christ Adam, Moses, The Apostles Joseph, Brigham or in any body Els. After the document was read President Young then Called upon the Twelve to express their feelings upon the subject. He called upon O Hyde to speak & he called upon J Taylor to speak. He spoke a short time. No one knew at the time (except the President & Carrington) who was the author of the document read.

Brother Taylor said he did not see it in that light. He worshiped a personage and not the Atributes. He thought God was Located and Could not worship the Atributes in any body.

President Young then Called a vote of the assembly and said if you understand this to be a Correct doctrin as here written I wish you [to] manifest it by saying yes. No one spoke.

President Young then said do I worship Atributes or the Dispencer of those atributes? I worship the Dispencer of those atributes and Not the Atributes. This is O Pratts Sermon prepared for the Press. I do not want to have it published if it is not right. Brother Orson Worships the Atributes of God but not God. I worship not the Atributes but that God who holds and dispenses. If Eternity was full of atributes and No one to dispens them they would not be worth a feather.

Suppose an Angels comes to us to Night with a message From God and he tels the angels not to make himself known. He Comes to us with a message and gives a New Law and a penalty for not obeying. You may ask who are you? He may not tell you who he is or he may say God sent me. You may Say whare is that God who sent you? I dont know or Care any thing about you or what you say. He might say to you I am a god to you. Moses Said to Israel I am a God to you. Joseph Said to us I am a God to you. This was true and upon the same principles I am a God to this people & so is any man who is appointed to lead Israel or the Kingdom of God. If the people reject him they reject the one who sent him. But we will let that drop, and turn to the other subject.

Now suppose we were all to receive a fullness of the Atributes of God and According to Orson Pratts Theory The Lord had a fulness and He Cod He Could not advance but we Could advance till we were Equal to him. Than if we worshiped the Atributes instead of God we would soon worship ourselves as soon as we had a fulness of those atributes. Then you Cannot worship any thing beyound yourself. You would then worship the atributes & not the dispenser of those atributes. "This is fals doctrin."

God did not say worship Moses because he was a God to the people. You may say to your wife or son do so & so. They will say I will not but I will go to a greater man. I will go to Brigham Young. You might say I am your Counciller Dictator or your God. Either would be Correct. And they should obey your Just & righteous Command. Yet they should <not> worship you for this would be sin.

Orson Pratt has differed from me in many things, But this is a great principle & I do not wish to say you shall do so and so. I do not know of a man who has a mathamatical turn of mind but what goes to Far. The trouble between Orson Pratt & me is I do not know Enough & he knows to much. I do not know evry thing. Their is a mystery Concerning the God I worship which mystery will be removed when I Come to a full knowledge of God.

One of the greatest things Joseph Smith ever did was to Familiarize Heaven & Earth and Cause them to shake hand together and become Familiar Together. This was a great principle. It is simple yet true. When I met the God I worship I expect to [meet a] personage with whom I have been acquainted upon the same principle that I would to meet with my Earthly Father after going upon a Journey & returning home.

W. Woodruff spoke & said that it is our privelege so to live as to have the spirit of God to bear record of the Truth of any revelation that Comes from God through the mouth of his Prophet who leads his people and it has ever been a key with me that when The Prophet who leads presents a doctrin or principle or says thus saith the Lord I make it a point to receive it even if it Comes in Contack with my tradition or views being well satisfied that the Lord would reveal the truth unto his Prophet whom he has Called to lead his Church before he would unto me. And the word of the Lord through the prophet is the End of the Law unto me.

O Hyde & Joseph Young both backed me up. Joseph Young said "I do not believe in the doctrin or worshiping the attributes and not the auther. I once loved a woman. She says to me you shall have my respect & kind regards & she told me to go in peace. I told her it was not her good will that I wanted alone. I wanted her. So with my God. If he was to say to me Joseph here take my attributes & go I would say No father it is not your attributes alone that I want but I want you. When I read O Pratts views in the Seer I Could not swallow it. Joseph the Prophet said when you see your Father you will see him Just as he was in this life ownly he will be full of Strength Glory Immortality & Eternal life.

President Brigham Young said now here is the Twelve. I wish to extend there Influence as Far as I Can but I Cannot do it while <they> teach Fals doctrine. One of the Causes of the declaration in England (as I understand the people are Clear down) is what Orson Pratt Preached in the Seer. There is not a man in the Church that can preach better than Orson Pratt upon any subject which he understands. It is music to hear him. But the trouble is he will preach upon things he does not know any thing about and then he will preach fals doctrin & so will Elder Hyde. He preaches upon the resurrection & teaches things which are not true.

I will tell you the God which you and I worship, it is a Being that was on an Earth like this. He has been Cloathed in Mortality the same as we have been and he has had Devils to fight the same as we have had but I do not expect they were the same Devils that we have. That God says I am your God and there is none Els. Let us worship him and none Els. He is the God that we have. No matter what Gods Enoch saw when the heavens were opened unto him if the God he saw had been exalted millions of years before our God was. He also had to occupy an Earth like ourselves and we shall find it out at some period and this is all the mystery there is about it & if we are faithful we in our turn shall be Exalted and become Gods and there will be no mystery about it when we understand it.

O Hyde said I am satisfied that I have used a good deal of Philosiphy which is not true but that is all done away with, and I did not think I should meet with the Prejudices of Potawatamie here to night.

President Young said if you bring Potawatamie with you you [mus?]t expect to meet it. O Hyde said that he did not preach in Grantsville as Brother Joseph Young reported he did. Brother Joseph was not Present and he has been misinformed Concerning it. E. T. Benson Explained the way O Hyde did preach. He compaired the resurrection to taking a Journey around the world. We travel all day stop at a station at night lie down and sleep at night arise in the morning & Continue our Journey through another day & so on. So at the End of this life we sleep in the grave till the morning of the resurrection. We then arise and Continue our Journey."

Brother Benson also said I do not preach things which I do not know. I keep in shallow water. I wish to teach the people those things which they Can understand, and those things we Cannot understand I do not trouble myself about. I know it is my duty to sustain the presidet of this Church. If I do not respect the Presidet of this church and believe his word and I set my self up against him I am under Condemnation. I would as lives Cut off my right Hand. If he speaks to us we must believe him and obey him. I mean to do it.

Erastus Snow said President Young has put words in my mouth so that I Can Convey what I want. We are apt to say many things which we do not mean & we injure ourselves. I Cannot see things in the same light that Orson Pratt does but when President Young has taught doctrin it has always tasted good to me. I do not wish to know any more than God wishes me to.

Orson Pratt said I will speak upon this subject. I have not spoaken but once in the Tabernacle since Conference. I then spoke upon the revelations in the Doctrins & Covenants Concerning the Father & son & their atributes. I spoke upon those attributes of the Father & son. I spoke of the Attributes of the Saints. I gave my views upon the attributes of God. I sincerly believed what I preached. How long I have believed this doctrin I do not know but it has been for years. I have published it in the seer. I spoke of a plurality of Gods. In order to worship this God I said that I adored the atributes wharever I found them. I was honest in this matter. * I would not worship a god or Tabernacle that did not possess Attributes. If I did I should worship Idols. I have taught this doctrin.

Now the reson I worship the Father is because in him is Combined the attributes. If he had not those attributes I would not worship him any more than I would this Chair. I Cannot see any difference between myself and President Young. If you had told me what you worshiped him for you would have told me sumthing but now I Can see no difference between us. I wish to Explain Now Jesus Said I am in the Father & the Father in me. Now I do not suppose that the Father is in the Son & the Son in the Father in the Tabernacle, but in the spirit and Attributes, truth light power &c. We are told that the son represents the Father in Attributes &c.

I Called upon the Brethren to Come to this meeting to settel this But I must have sumthing more than a declaration of President Young to Convince me. I must have Evidence. I am willing to take President Young as a guide in most things but not in all. President Young does not profess to have revelations in all things. I am not to loose my agency. I have said many things which President Young says is Fals. I do not know how it is. I Count President Young Equal to Joseph And Joseph Equal to President Young. I find things in Josephs Revelations that govern me. I would as lief believe Joseph as Brigham. When Joseph teaches one thing & Brigham seems to teach another Contrary to Joseph (I say seems to) I believe them as Joseph has spoken them and as the Apostle speaks of them.

I do not know God ownly by his Atributes and that God who has the most Atributes I worship. I worship but one God, and God does not dwell in me ownly by his Atributes. I have spoken plainly. I would rather not have spoken so plainly but I have No excuses to make. President Young said I ought to make a Confession But Orson Pratt is not a man to make a Confession of that I do not Believe. I am not going to Crawl to Brigham Young and act the Hypocrite and Confess what I do not Believe. I will be a free man. President Young Condemns my doctrin to be fals. I do not believe them to be fals. I believe President Young to be sincere in sayin that my doctrin is fals.

I did not Believe the doctrin fals which I published in the Seer in England. It has been said we should let those things sleep. But you do not let them sleep. If I had thought while in England that President Young worshiped a God without attributes I would not have written what I did. (The above remark was an unkind Cut in Orson Pratt he should not have said.") But I do not believe it yet I will not act the Hypocrite. It may Cost me my fellowship But I will stick to it if I die tonight I would say O Lord God Almighty I believe what I say.

Elder John Taylor spoke at some length and tried to Convince Orson Pratt of his Error.

President Young said Orson Pratt has started out upon false premises to argue upon. His foundation has been a fals one all the time and I will prove it false. You have been like a mad stoubern Mule, and have taken a fals position in order to accuse me. You have accused me of worshiping a stalk or Stone or a dead Body without life or attributes. You never herd such a doctrin taught by me or any leader of the Church. It is as false as Hell and you will not hear the last of it soon. You know it is false. Do we worship those attributes? No we worship God because he has all those Attributes and is the dispenser of them and because he is our Father & our God. Orson Pratt puts down a lie to argue upon. He has had fals ground all the time to night. There never was a time or Eternity but what a God did exist, and a God that had Children upon the same principle that Children are now begotton. And I was begotton by the God I worship who reigns in the heavens and I shall also in my turn reign as a God & so will you.

O. Hyde said to O Pratt, My opinion is not worth as much to me as my fellowship in this Church.

President Young said Michael was a resurrected Being and he left Eloheem and Came to this Earth & with an im[mor]tal Body & continued so till he partook of Earthly food and begat Children who were mortal. (Keep this to yourselves). Then they died.

A Carrington spoke upon the subject a short time & made some useful remarks.

President Young spoke upon the subject of O Pratt laying down fals principle to work upon. That principle if Carried out would place us in a position that when a man got a fulness of the Attributes of God they would have to worship themselves. But if we worship God we worship him because he possesses all the Attributes and dispenses them to the Children of men. All these Attributes are the servants of God. They serve his purposes and are at his Command.

President H C Kimball Followed President Young and said Brother Orson Pratt has withstood Joseph and he has withstood Brother Brigham many times and he has done it to night and it made my Blood Chill. It is not for you to lead but to be led by him. You have not the power to dictate but to be dictated.

W. Woodruff arose and said Brother Orson Pratt I wish to ask you one or two questions. You see that the spirit and doctrin which you possess is entirely in a oposition to the First Presidency The Quorum of the Twelve, and all who are present this evening and it Chills the Blood in our veins to hear your words & feel your spirit. Should not this be an Evidence to you that you are wrong? What would become of the Quorum of the Twelve if we all felt as you do? We should all go to Hell in a pile to gether.

You say you are honest in the Course you are pursueing. I wish to ask you if you was honest when you said that if you had known that President Young worshiped a God without life or Attributes that you would not have written what you did. (O Pratt said I will recall that.) It was an insult to President Young and the Holy Priesthood which he holds. Evry man in this room who has a particle of the spirit of God knows that President Young is a Prophet of God and that God sustains him and He has the Holy Spirit and his doctrins are true. and that he is qualifyed to lead the people and he has explained evry thing so plain this evening that a Child Can understand it and yet it is no evidence to you. Nothing Can make an impression upon you. No argument can reach your understanding.

But Brother Orson I have seen the day when you was in sorrow. It was when you was Cast out of your Quorum and out of the Church and that to in Consequence of pursueing the Same Course you are this evening. Then you Could both see feel & understand. Then argument Could reach you when you saw your glory and Crown departing from you. I beg of you to reflect and not let your will Carry you to Far in these things.

It would be better for us not to be able to Cast up a single sum in adition and be humble before the Lord than to have ever so much knowledge & permit that knowledge to lead us to destruction. There are but few men upon Earth upon whom God has bestowed such gifts, qualifications and reasoning powers as he has upon you, and he will hold you responsible for the use you make of them, and you should not make a wreck of your salvation for Contending for things which you do not understand. And I do feel at this advanced state of the Church and late day and with the information which you possess that neither you nor your Brethren ought to be troubled with Fals doctrin. Neither should you Cause your Brethren to listen to such a scene of things as we have herd to night or to insult the presidet of this church as you have done. Although you are unbending in your will to night the day is not far distant when you will be glad to bend to the presidet of this Church and make reconciliation.

Erastus Snow Followed and backed up the Testimony of those who have spoaken. Orson Hyde Spoke upon the subject and said Brother Pratt had not got the spirit of God.

He was followed By C. C. Rich who backed up the Testimony of the Twelve in saying that Orson Pratt was wrong. E. T. Benson spoke upon the same subject and said if Brother Pratt had the Confidence in Presidet Young which he ought to have he would Feel diferent. If he had the Confidence in his Brethren which he should have I know He would feel different.

President Young said I will tell you how I got along with Joseph. I found out that God Called Joseph to be a Prophet. I did not do it. I then said I will leave the Prophet in the hands of that God who called and ordained him to be a Prophet. He is not responsible to me and it is none of my business what He does. It is for me to follow & obey him.

I once was ashamed of one thing which I did while in Missouri in Zions Camp. I got a revelation that God excepted our offering. I had the same thing revealed to me twice & that we should not go into Jackson Co. I named this to some of the Brethren a day or two before Joseph got a Revelation upon the same subject. I felt ashamed that I named it first. I knew whare we were going and I now know that when we go to Jackson County we shall go from the west. And I will now tell you all and you may right it down that all my preaching by the Holy Ghost is revelation.

I told Brother Joseph that he had given us revelation enough to last us 20 years. When that time is out I can give as good revelation as their is in the Doctrins & Covenants.

"Elder Taylor said in one of his sermons that if we walk in the light of the Lord we should have revelations all the time." It is the light that is within you. No man Can live his religion without living in Revelation but I would never tell a revelation to the Church untill Joseph told it first.

Joseph Once told me to go to his own house to attend a meeting with him. He said that He would not go without me. I went and Hiram Preached upon the Bible Book of Mormon & Covenants and said we must take them as our guide alone. He preached vary lengthy untill he nearly wearied the people out. When he Closed Joseph told me to get up. I did so. I took the Books and piled them all up on top of Each other. I then said that I would not give the ashes of a rye straw for all those books for my salvation without the living oracles. I should follow and obey the living oracles for my salvation instead of any thing Els. When I got through Hyrum got up and made a Confession for not including the living Oracles.

It may be thought strange by the Brethren that I will still fellowship Elder Pratt after what He has said but I shall do it. I am determined to whip Brother Pratt into it and make him work in the harvest.

Orson Pratt said if I gratifyed my feelings I had rather go into the Canyon than to Preach. I have got to go to Tooele to get wood for my family.

Presidet Young said I will give you a mission in Tooele to preach & send word to the Bishop to get some man & draw up his wood. Brother Pratt has no business in the Canyon. The Lord does not want him there. F D Richard Dismissed the meeting.